A Conversation with
Former Mr. America and Mr. Universe, Mick Souza.
By Dr. Michael Dusa
MD: Hi Mick. Last
time I saw you, I was getting vanquished by you on stage in the AAU Mr. East
Coast in Hartford, 1987.
MS: (laughs). Yes.
Those were great times!
MD: For some of us,
yes (laughs). So, talk of your beginnings, my friend.
MS: Well, my father
left the house for good when I was only three years old. It was just me, my mom
and my brother, and we went to live with my grandmother.
MD: So, right off the
bat, behind the eight ball. Were you an active sports enthusiast growing up?
MS: Well, if you mean
team sports-no. Essentially, I partook a bit in track in high school, and had
the high school record in the high jump at 6'6". Maybe this
portended that college was in the offing-but I hadn't the funds to go. I was
also a pro skateboarder, and at one point I had the world record for jumping on
a skateboard-4 feet and ten inches...I'd jump over a bar while the skateboard
rolled under. Man, I had a lot of injuries doing this. Of course, I'd jump over
cars, too (laughs)!
MD: Lifting weights
started when?
MS: I was seven years
old. I took old paint cans filled with sand, got a broomstick...put it all
together...did presses with it. As I got stronger, I'd get bigger cans. I got
my first bench in the fourth grade, bought for my brother and I by my mother.
You gotta understand, I grew up in an area in Rhode Island where beatings by
bullies on me were staggering in their frequency. I HAD to lift weights.
MD: Who inspired you?
MS: Well, at the
time, of Course Arnold as well as Roger Callard (scheduled to be
interviewed-Dr.D) were in the magazines. I was really coming along. In the
tenth grade I was easily the strongest kid in my school-I could bench 300
pounds at a bodyweight of 180-185 pounds. I always thought of competing from
early on.
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| With Arnold and Franco |
MD: But up to this
point, you were either working out at home or at school?
MS: Yes. The high
school had a Universal machine-that was it. But, my senior year was a watershed
time in that my friend opened a gym, East Bay Fitness Center. Boy, to this day
do I wish that place still existed! I remember I was 17 years old and I
squatted 315 pounds the first time I was there by myself-no spotters, none of
that. I developed an attitude that was to become very useful for me. It was "Do
or Die," I HAD to put in maximum effort. There was no choice, no
negotiation. This was my mentality.
MD: That's a familiar
refrain I hear from many of the legends I have spoken to. Probably why you all
are who you are. So, Mick, take us further along on your journey.
MS: Well, as I said,
it was always in the bowels of my mind that I was going to compete in
bodybuilding, and I also knew I wanted to go to the Mecca. I used to get out
early from school my senior year, noon each day, so I'd work construction and
earn money to help my mom with the bills. So, I didn't mind hard work at all. Ultimately, I painted a couple of houses and squirreled the money I earned from
this away for my trip to California. My mother? Yes, she was incredulous.
"Mick, where are you going to go? Who do you know there?"
MD: But, you had that
clear vision...
MS: Oh yes. I bought
a one way ticket to Los Angeles. Talk about confidence! I had an advertisement
from Gold's Venice in my front pocket. A bag of clothes. I landed in LA at one
or two am in the morning, and got a taxi. I asked him to take me to Gold's.
Well, I ended up at World's, and he let me out of the taxi.
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| With Joe Gold |
MD: Man-I feel like I
am there with you...
MS: Well, World's had
a parking garage as part of its structure, and I went into it and basically
slept on the ground, right there. But now, I have to depart from this and tell
you a funny story. The night before I left home, I was watching television-it
was an episode of Charlie's Angels in which Roger Callard was a guest star.
MD: I remember that!
MS: Yup. I was like,
wow. Callard. He's really making it! So, there I was, sleeping on hard concrete
in a parking garage, 3,000 miles from home, and who comes by as the first guy
to show up to train at 4:30 am?
MD: Roger Callard?
MS: Yes! That's how I
met him. First person I met out there, not including the taxi driver. What are
the odds? Still seems unreal to me to this day. He let me work out that very
first day, no charge. I did get to know Roger very well. I ended up living at
his house for two or three months. He needed some help with maintenance, so it
was a trade off. I did give him some money here and there, but only nominal
amounts. I learned tons from him, and he opened many doors for me. As you know,
Joe Gold owned World's at the time, and I got close with him, too. He never
charged me to workout there.
MD: My man, this is
starting to sound like the classic Horatio Alger story! Unreal...
MS: Well, it seemed I
was charmed, looking back. All I had to do was train. I lived off my savings,
however meager. But think of it, I absorbed knowledge from Arnold, Franco,
Frank Zane, Dave Johns, Bertil Fox, Tom Platz, Bob Paris, Victor Richards,
Samir Bannout, Mike Christian. Today, Mike Christian
and I are very good friends.
MD: Like Muscle
Builder pages springing to life! I must ask, who made the biggest impact?
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| "Not one soul trained harder than Tom" |
MS: Listen, and this
is the flat out true deal. Tom Platz, I wanted to train with him. That's how I
was. All the guys I mentioned, didn't matter who, if I wanted to learn, ask a
question or work in with them, I'd approach and ask. Platz especially so. I
REALLY wanted to train with him. Compared to anyone ever in my history in
bodybuilding, not one soul trained harder than Tom. He was known as the
"Golden Eagle," but really, he should have been called "Mr.
Intensity." You didn't even have to talk to him to see this. Just watch
him. He's the hardest training human. Ever. You know, when you are young and
only train alone, like I did up to that point, you don't really know what
intensity is. I saw this with Tom Platz.
MD: When I went out
there when I was 16, around 1980, I went to World's and there was Platz, going
up and down, endlessly, like a high-performance piston, squatting. He was a
marvel to espy. But were you competing by this time?
MS: No. Actually,
over time, I made the trek out to California about seven times over a period of
years, each time bringing a different level of development and learning more. I
actually was out your way, Hamden, Connecticut, frequently around these times.
I would come out and train with Mike Katz and his business partner and best
friend, Jerry Mastrangelo, and train with them. Later, I opened a gym in
Newport and Mike arranged the equipment. We worked well together.
Mick competing at the 1992 NABBA Universe. Prejudging video
MS: Well, there's a
little back story to go with that. It was in 84 or 85, the NPC Mr. Rhode
Island. Ten days prior to the event, I was driving my motorcycle, helmet-less,
when a lady ran a stop sign and I ended up crashing, settling under her
vehicle. This earned me 150 stitches in my head, more in my body, several days
in critical condition. I was in the hospital the full ten days before the
show-which, remember, was to be my first.
Now, here I am, after
all the work, with docs and nurses trying to feed me ice cream and typical, non
nutritious hospital food, and me...I'm trying to get egg whites and water!
Everyone was trying to dissuade me from competing. One friend backed me up. I
did go in the show, although the only thing I was able to control leading up to
it was my food. Still, I took second. Ironically, Mike Katz was the emcee of
the event, and yes, he was surprised to see me!
MD: Like Drago says
about Rocky in Rocky 4, "He's not a man...he's a machine! He is like
steel!"
MS: (laughs) I did
win the show the next year. You remember, Mike, when they had bodypart awards?
Well, the year I took this show, there was best upper body and best lower body
awards, both of which I won. My class and overall were also won by me. I felt
on top of the world.
MD: I know I always
like to hear what training and nutrition was like for the stars.
MS: You know, people
always think there is a secret. There isn't. I'd break body parts up...Chest
and tris Monday, Back and bis Tuesday, Legs alone. So forth. I'd spend about
one hour on each body part. But...always very intense.
I mean, sometimes,
I'd take 135 pounds and do 100 reps of squatting. Or, I'd take 500 pounds...I
squatted this amount 29 times once. I did a little powerlifting in my past, as
well.
Diet?
Egg whites,
pollock...very low fat protein sources and, of course, they were cheap. I'd do
the 12-16 week diet, low carbs, which consisted of sweet potatoes, pasta and
brown rice. Lots of water leading up to a show.
MD: Sounds like the
80's, all right. So you had more success competing...
MS: I did. I also won
the AAU version of the Mr. Rhode Island. I went into the Mr. Southern New
England, won my class, but the overall winner was Victor Terra of
Massachusetts. He was a terrific bodybuilder. We became great friends, but I
have not been in touch with him for years.
MD: Your
physique....its interesting. You are not a Zane, not an Arnold. I'd say more
like a bigger version of Samir Bannout.
MS: Wow...thanks for
that. Samir was a great friend back then. I was able to maintain detail with
out the expense of shedding too much muscle. I also must say that because of
learning from the best in history, I never got injured in anyway lifting
weights. Outside the gym? Oh, yes. I have had my share of injuries with
surgeries as a result. But uninterrupted, smart training was hallmark to much
of my success.
MD: And then came the
big victories...
MS: In 1989, I won my
class in the AAU Mr. America. Matt Dufresne won overall, and Casey Kucharyk was
also a class winner. It was a very tough show. In 1990 I came in 7th in the
NABBA Mr. Universe, and in 91 I took 4th in the same show. Well, around this
time, I was contacted by a representative of the World Sumo Championships.
Newport is a "sister" city of Japan, and they hold the "Black
Ships Festival" there every year. The Japanese National Sumo team comes
and gives exhibitions at the festival. I happened to be the fellow, without any
Sumo wrestling experience at all, who beat their guys in exhibition. After I
did the same the following year, that's when they contacted me.
They invited me to
Japan as the first continental USA representative to go to Tokyo and Sumo
wrestle in one of their premier events. You must understand, in Japan, this is
as big, or bigger, than the NFL and MLB in the USA. The crowds are enormous.
I was treated very
well upon my arrival and throughout my stay. It was really a great honor. I won
my first match. My following match was against a guy who was about 450 pounds.
Now, I was 265, and kind of like in guest-posing shape. I carried it well...I
was fit. A camera man and an interviewer approached me and pointed to my
opponent and told me he said he was gonna eat me for breakfast. I told the reporter
to go tell him that I was gonna have him for not only breakfast, but for lunch
and dinner, too (Both laugh)! He wasn't happy to hear this, but I did beat him.
I ended up winning a bronze medal, and I was on all the TV stations and
newspapers, too.
MD: That is
extraordinary! But professional Sumo was not on the horizon, I take it?
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| Winning the NABBA Mr. Universe |
MS: Oh, no. I still
wanted to win the Universe. And I did win, in 1992, the NABBA Universe, Tall
division. It was bittersweet, to say the least, because my mom had passed away
shortly before this.
MD: I'm sorry. You
have had to thrive under extreme circumstances.
MS: Yes, well, don't
we all? I must say, I have derived a lot of good out of bodybuilding.
Discipline. Dedication. I work with and help people. I've learned from the best
in the world.
MD: And now, I know
you as one of the premier trainers in the northeast.
MD: Thanks Michael. I
sold my last gym about 8 years ago, and I have owned several over the years.
The gym business? I enjoyed it years ago...there was camaraderie and
friendliness, respect. Now? All arrogance among the younger crowd. So, when I
built my house, I equipped it with my customized gym. It's where I train my
clients. The best thing is I pick and choose whom I train and work with. They
have got to understand, it is serious, it is difficult. It's hardcore. Sure
enough, these are the folks I attract. I do no advertising. Don't have to. I
had a client call me from her car phone. She had to pull off the road as she
was driving home after her workout with me. She had to rest because she had
worked so hard. But she was not flummoxed by this...she was heartened.
I have a diverse
clientele. I have a clent who is 82 years old from Boston and she rides horses.
I have Shannon Petralito, who is really rising and took 3rd in the WBFF Pro
World in Vegas, the same show Monica Brant won the previous year. I have a dear
client who has been with me for 22 years. She is now 67. When she started, she
could barely climb a flight of stairs. Now she skis and even owns a home in
Maine.
MD: Your wife, Carla,
and you have a successful company outside of the personal training business.
Tell me about that.
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| With wife Carla |
MS: You can learn
about it at micksouzacompetitionwear.com. Well, my wife, Carla, actually has
been making her own clothes since she was seven years old. She is very skilled
at this. Of course, many of my clients are training for competition, and they'd
invariably order posing suits from all over the place, and they'd basically
either not fit well or be unflattering to their form. So Carla has taken on
custom designing posing suits. She is the consummate perfectionist. Her
creations are fantastic. And, you know, she has so much business that
sometimes, she has to turn down requests for suits. The athletes put a lot of
money into posing suits. Carla averages a solid 5-6 solid hours of work on a
single suit. But, just like I don't train anyone online...an athlete has to
come see me personally so I can physically assess them under lights...Carla
requires the athlete to come to her personally to get fitted. She has put the
"personal" back into custom and personal.
MD: Congratulations
on the success. Business ain't easy. Any business. Tell me, briefly, about your
opinion on what I, at least, see today as far as some personal trainers being
in need of personal trainers themselves.
MS: Yes, I know what
you are saying.I'll keep my response simple. Anyone can pay $500 and take a 2.5
day, weekend course to become a trainer. This may make them certified. But it
doesn't mean they are QUALIFIED.
MD: Exactly. Mick,
anything you'd like to add?
MS: My faith,
Michael. When my mother died,
this was a very big turn of events for me. Is there a heaven? Did my mother's life
matter? I was struck by these
thoughts that plagued me. I knew I needed to become a better man for her life
to be significant. For her to be proud of me. I didn't have any male role
models growing up-as I said, my father left very early on. I certainly was well
versed in destroying relationships I had had in my life. After all-bodybuilding
was all about me. Bodybuilding made me so inept in having a humanistic side...of
maintaining a good, deep relationship.
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| "Now, I do it God's way for the next 40 years" |
I give numerous talks
to various groups. I will put my right hand up, and announce, "This was my
bodybuilding side...I was great at it." I'll put my left hand up and say,
"This is my idiotic side...here...I behaved like an idiot." I'd say I
was an Idiot Savant (laughs). I'd put up walls in most aspects of my life,
except in my bodybuilding life, where I was succeeding. I'd hide my emotions,
never want anyone to hurt me. You know, up until a certain point, I had never
had a good relationship, really.
I picked up a bible.
It was the first book I had ever read in its entirety. My goal was to read the
entire King James version. To now, I've read it all the way through, 18 or 19
times. It's what I like to call the instruction manual for life.
I underwent a
fundamental shift. I am now a religious education teacher at the Church of
Saint Barnabas, a stewardship leader, and am also the president of the board of
the church. I teach kids that "God is cool." I tell them that yes,
for the first 40 years of my life, I did what I wanted to do. Now, I do it
God's way for the next 40 years. The kids will listen to me...I've done it both
ways.
In my life, I made
money, I was a world champion. I found myself with a hole, with the question of
what was next. I use this in my talks. We are born with a "God Hole,"
and we fill this hole with money, drugs, women, sex, what have you. The
wrestless heart stays restless until it rests with God. These premises have
given me peace, and now, my values are so very different. I understand that
peace and happiness are not tangible entities. They are the RESULT of a life
well lived. Its a process...you can't go and just get them.
MD: My friend, you
are blessed, as well as a blessing to many. And, on top of it, it appears you
have stayed in great shape.
MS: Carla and I train
together four times per week. I weigh in the 218-220 range, and in what I'd
call relatively good shape.Like I tell my clients to do...we will have a cheat
meal for one hour each week. In that one hour, have anything you desire. But
just for that one hour!
MD: It's done me well
to speak with you Mick. Oh, before I forget, I will e-mail you some photos from
1987 of you and I onstage together...there's one shot in which you appear to
have a tattoo on your pec. That's actually me, standing in front of you!
MS: (Both laugh) Very
good Mike...I'll be looking for it. Thanks so much!
Mick Souza competition history (Source: www.musclememory.com)
1986
Mr USA - AAU, Medium, 7th
1989
Mr America - AAU, Medium-Tall, 1st
1990
Mr USA - AAU, Medium-Tall, 3rd
1991
Mr America - AAU, Medium-Tall, 2nd
Mr Universe - NABBA, Medium-Tall, 4th
1992
Mr Universe - NABBA, Tall, 1st
1994
Mr USA - AAU, 2nd
Thank you Dr. Michael Dusa and Mick Souza for this fantastic interview
Best regards from
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